My mother Josaphine Devlin and her brother Greg were born Drumoyan Street Govan. approached in flavour to wine. However, as little seems to have changed in the last 30 years does this mean that at last, local communities are to be involved in making decisions about their futures? Seven generations of our family have been born in Govan. 124m Freshair Salon . Reply. Used to spend all summer there paying in twice, having to queue up for second swim with towel around yourself sometimes freezing and having to wait in line. However, people striving to improve their existing environment have limited freedom to act independently. My Granny lived at 60 Greenfield Street next to Mrs Knox's wee shop. A Gannett Company. inaccuracy or intrusion, then please I lived at 2 Luath Street in Govan with my Mum and Dad - Cathie and Ronnie Johnston. 2 Markus, 1993, p. 148 No1seems2care. He also procured a contract with the Royal Navy to produce vessels, notably the Jackal, the Lizard, and the Bloodhound. Vytvori nov et. I'm sure many of these places will have been demolished or renamed but it would be great to hear from anyone who knows of the family or can provide any more details. In the Wine Alley, I loved the people more than anything. One thing is clear about Woodinville's Woodin Creek, it is very dog friendly! In 1841, Robert Napier began iron shipbuilding in Govan, and in 1843 produced its first ship, the Vanguard. Ah! Men and Boys by Hugh Cavanagh. Community service. The Govan of my parents had gone, the works and the jobs and the people they spoke about had all gone. Lifts were often out of order; maintenance of the blocks was negligible while the area surrounding the tower blocks was allowed to turn into a muddy, rubbish-strewn wasteland. When the railway was to be built in the late nineteenth century, however, the confusion over proper descriptions in the land titles made necessary legal transactions difficult and had to be reconciled. The Old Govan Fair. Does anybody recognise the name? I went to Broomloan Rd nursery then the school. Ther were many menswear shops such as Jackson the Tailor and John Collier. In Great Britain, community planning has evolved and not only has it kept its identity, but it has also retained its application as a primary vehicle through which social change is enacted at a local level, by members of the community acting together to improve the lifestyle of the group as a whole. The first trade I learnt was stealing and gambling yet it seemed normal to all of us as children. Lived there all the way through the 70's until we moved to Cardonald in 1980. Wine Alley, the newest wine tasting experience to open at Woodin Creek Village in Woodinville, WA, debuted with a ribbon cutting ceremony and grand opening event on February 18, 2022. 102m The Govan Shed . My mum's brother Spinx (George Hewitt) stayed in Teucharhill and my dad's brother Alex Rodgers drove a milk float. In fact, Glasgow Corporation was so determined to place many of the cities socially deprived into Moorepark that they even advertised for them in the newspapers. The two men, working for up to 18 hours at a time, had to be smuggled out before dawn each day. Govan Old Parish Church was rebuilt in 1762, 1826, and again 1884-1888. I went to Hills Trust primary and can remember having to sit my 11 plus exam and passed by the skin of my teeth (lots of mental arithmetic). I asked him if I was going to jail, he said not at all and he gave me a sweetie. Get directions. Loved going into Amy's Cafe after coming out of Mackays for my Easter outfits. In the early medieval period, the site of the present Govan Old churchyard was established as a Christian centre for the Brittonic Kingdom of Alt Clut (Dumbarton Rock) and its successor realm, the Kingdom of Strathclyde. 11 Barr, 1997, p. 47-58 12Dailly, 2005, p. 8 The Moorepark area is served by Ibrox subway station on the Glasgow Subway system,[15] which is located on the corner of Copland Road and Woodville Street. We went back to Govan until we could get passage, and I attended Bellahouston Academy. I remember the Neptune Street bakery was always flooded and full of cats but people would still queue up outside it. I am researching my family tree and as both my grandparents died in 1990 and 1993 respectively I can't ask them. I remember the days my sister and I would take part in the fair while we were in a dancing school, which was named Thompsons. Within it and its roughly circular churchyard is one of the finest collections of Early Christian stones in the United Kingdom, known as the Govan Stones, dating from the c.9th to 11th centuries. It has taken Govan many years to heal and the spare grounds and scars are all nearly gone. I personally don't have any memories of Govan although I'm sure I visited family who were living there many years ago in the late sixties. I went to St.Constantines Primary School. My mother and grandfather raised me alongside my two sisters and three brothers and various in-laws who moved in and out of the home through the years. Would love to get in touch with any old pals for the era 1965-1976. Newsquest Media Group Ltd, Loudwater Mill, Station Road, High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire. Call now (425) 271-4501; Address. From start to finish this series has been amazing roll on book four! Co. Ltd., Alexander Stephens & Sons, J & G Thomson, Harland & Wolff and more. I cleaned it up and he must have been watching, as he came back out to see if I had done well. I can remember having to use the toilet on the landing using a massive key to open the door. Moorepark is a small area in the Scottish city of Glasgow. Wine Quality 4/4. Above is a quote from a seasoned Timfrom the unfairly labelled Wine Alley (Moorpark) area, once of greater Govan, just off Broomloan Road. Situated south of the River Clyde and part of the former Burgh of Govan, it was colloquially referred to as 'Wine Alley' during the mid-to-late 20th century when a housing scheme with a rough reputation was sited there. Management of entrance into the block zones was poor while the risk of personal attack inside and outside the flats was high. I have many happy memories of Govan. It was fantastic we even had a large grass area to play such a great childhood. [4] In 1864, Govan gained burgh status, and was the fifth-largest burgh in Scotland. Around 1963 we moved to Arden where I went St Louise Primary School. Drumoyne primary it was, a year after my big brother Robert started (about 53) then on to Govan High School, that was the one which caught fire when I was due to sit my O levels (no excuses). My husband also comes from Govan. I used to go to Jack's Bakers on a Saturday morning for a dozen rolls and half a dozen teabread and I still got change from a half a crown (12.5 pence), happy days! Govan (/vn/ GUV-n; Cumbric? She had 3 boys Alex, Willie and Robert. During the Viking Age, following the sack of Dumbarton Rock in 870, Govan is believed to have been one of the major centres of the Kingdom of Strathclyde. One flat was chosen in Wine Alley and a second across the road in a collection of tower blocks called Iona Court. I was born in Govan in 1942 and lived in Elder Stree before moving to 15 Water Row above the bakers James Jack & Sons, my father worked there for 56 years. Anyway gabgabgab, lots more if anyone is interested. He also complained about the abusive term Wine Alley, which was always quoted by officialdom whenever Moorepark scheme came under discussion They were, however, very much a part of the physical landscape that became Renfrewshire. Contact. The newlyweds got engaged in April 2018 after dating for three years and were forced to delay their wedding last April due to the coronavirus pandemic. [9], The earliest references to Govan are found in connection with the Christian church. A similar uncertainty existed regarding the nearby lands of Pollokshields and Westends. Interest. I stayed in Govan in the early 60's first in a tenement at 118 Govan Road, we stayed in the top storey mum, dad, me, my sister, and baby brother. Govan was the site of a ford and later a ferry which linked the area with Partick for seasonal cattle drovers. Laurel Brook. Unresolved: Release in which this issue/RFE will be addressed. If I could I would have bought many! We didn't have an inside toilet but had to use one on the landing which served two other families. Wall furniture and coverings, clothing, beds and bedding, carpets and furniture were badly affected by fungi while many of the inhabitants suffered physical illnesses related to the damp atmosphere, financial anguish at the cost of replacement and (in some cases), mental problems brought on by the worry caused by the above problems in the first place! I was born Jan 6th 1951 and brought up in flat above Co-op in Helen Street at Govan Cross, I Went to Harmony Row and Hills Trust Primary schools before moving to Pollok when I was 10 .I have 4 brothers Dave, Bobby, Shuggie, all born in Govan ..and Alastair born in Pollok. Good memories. Log In. Anyone know the Maguire family from Logie Street and 147 Langlands Road? JEFF TORRINGTON Singing: No, No, Yuppie, Yuppie NO! Used to jump the dykes with my brother Kenneth. That is why this Reflection will critically examine the Moorepark experience (within the context of community planning) from before Darners time to the 1970s and the present, where it will question if there have been any real changes in attitudes between then and today or worse, are the same mistakes being repeated, and is proven good work being ignored? For (as he says) members of the so-called underclass are not helpless and passive victims of structural circumstances, and that by becoming involved in social, political and economical activities, the community of any area can organise themselves in such a fashion as to understand that community, or collective power, is real.1 Govan borders the district of Ibrox, home to the Scottish football club Rangers F.C. 199310 Scottish Charity No. Interest. Contents Where Were Hanged In Glasgow? Young Young Winey (Govan) (G51) (Moorpark) 'Republican Wine Alley' . contact the editor here. It would also mean long hours of up to 18 hours day in unpleasant conditions. Hi there, just wondering if anyone has any info or stories on the Slaters, Mckechnies or Hutchisons, hope to hear back. There was no point in carrying out any raids because the dealers could quickly escape and dispose of their drugs. Glasgow Braendam Link is a Company Limited by Guarantee, Registered in Scotland, No. It was a Magical childhood play area, the closestairs were a Pirate Ship; Hospital; Wee Shop; School, aye in the 1950's we used our imagination rather than computers to stop us being bored! The answer is 1 authority is necessary because it plays an indispensable mediating role at local and city level through bringing togeth locals and officials. I had never seen one before. I remember one time, my big brother hiding in the midden under all the ashes, when I went down three stories to empty the fire ashes. Yes Danny, Hamilton Street was renamed to Nethan Street between 1931 and 1932. Nostalgic 3w Siobhan McCrone Joseph McCrone Going down the pyramids on a bread crate all good till ur fingers caught underneath 7 4w 1 Reply I went about with Harry Bitters, Nick Shearer and John McLeod in the mad days of the early 70s. Second, it encourage prospects for social inclusion by impioving living conditions and life changes while a third (indirect) factor is that, by working with authority, it can augment the personal development and enhanced confidence that participation can bring.9 124m D.C Hair&Beauty . So, at the age of 46 I started three years of studies with projects that involved Govan Initiative and Glasgow University until I was finally accepted as a full-time student at Glasgow. When Damer returned to the area in 1989 he found that his earlier report had had two outcomes. We lived in Southcroft St., when we got married. We had some chalk on us and we wrote on the outside of the lovely red tiles on the wall. Wineally for Wine Producers We make your wines shine by having them served with matching dishes in restaurants or at home. My gran was Ella Campbell who lived in Greenfield Street during the 50s and 60 s. The area was parodied in the BBC sitcom Rab C. Nesbitt, though episodes were usually filmed elsewhere. It was great reading all the stories. You Wine Alley Govan Team were shite begs. I don't like to think what might have happened if they had been discovered.''. First, this fosters connectedness seen in social capital and enhanced trust in government and in fellow citizens. They also told police that the same man would rent out a larger car about once a month. We visited Govan in recent years and is not the same place anymore. Instead, it referred to the popularity of cheap and powerful tonic wines particularly with young people - the vast consumption of which would often lead to violence and disorder. I used to go to the Harhill Baths every Friday night.Saturday mornings, afternoons were at the Lyceum or The Plaza Picture Houses. Memory says it was painted red but I might be wrong. on our backs to the midden motor outside the closes or houses where we worked. My sisters were Elaine & Brenda and my brother was George. In particular, urban communities are increasingly constrained by both local and governmental authorities, and also by outside economic factors, which can and do prohibit perceived changes for the better. Eventually, my dad arrived asking if anyone had handed in a wee lassie. The City of Woodinville's Mayor Mike Millan cut the ribbon to mark the occasion. The Old Govan Fair. We do not pre-moderate or monitor readers comments appearing on our websites, but we do post-moderate in response to complaints we receive or otherwise when a potential problem comes to our attention. Instead, it referred to the popularity of cheap and powerful tonic wines particularly with young people - the vast consumption of which would often lead to violence and disorder. Sergeant Angus McIvor and constable Bob McDonald were the two cops who had bravely filmed the gang operating from one of the empty flats. 8 Markus, 1993, p. 163 For other uses, see. Little did we no that years later I would be living above that very shop. I would so love to hear from you if you do. My name is James Murray, my dad Edward Murray grew up in Govan. Also, among the plans for Govans hub was a programme to make Govans main shopping area more attractive such as joining Govans Market, Shopping Centre, Underground and bus depot together under the one roof. Jackson retired in 1992 after a distinguished 32-year career with Burnside and his cohorts still behind bars. It was a real shame to junk those old tenements instead of refurbishing them. Add your own memories or stories by clicking here. Strange thing is that we carried passengers on some days, these passengers had a dinner on board while we discharged the cargo with most never knowing what was happening. My family lived at 100 Harmony Row, Govan until I was 10 (born 1953), I lived there with my father Guido Gonnella, my mom Susan, brother William and sisters Helen Marie and Susan also lived with us. My great grandfather lived at 67 Garmouth Street with his 3 daughters. We engraved pet medallions and Jackie let me do it because I had nice handwriting. Around this time heroin dealing was rife in Govan, particularly in an area called Moorepark, which was nicknamed Wine Alley. Again, as happened in Moorepark in the mid 1970s, selective letting policies resulted in the housing of people who suffered not only from economic deprivation but had many related social problems of drink, drugs, and petty theft. 100m D.C Hair&Beauty . I liked Daddy Boyd although I never had him as a teacher, he was in charge of the rowing club of which I enjoyed many an hour on the Clyde. It may have been used to contain the body or relics of St. Constantine, a Pictish king killed seemingly killed by Vikings in 876/7 - the style of carving indicates an origin in the late 9th or early 10th century. Rather than go on strike, which was the traditional form of industrial action, the union leadership of the yards decided to have a work-in and complete the orders that the shipyards had in place. I went undercover on the 'Wine Alley' to tackle drug problem Ex-undercover police officer Simon McLean has written about his experience tackling Glasgow's drug problem during the 80s. Wine Alley by Colin Quigley. An isolated island of cheap building land, Glasgow Corporation bought the Moorepark land and in 1934 built the Moorepark Housing Estate, a typical Glasgow rehousing scheme of three-storey grey concrete-block tenements. Many members of the family were married at St Anthonys Chapel. Brian McQuade, Reflection on Housing Was never out your streets up the fighting lol Peg & the Fleet pussies,Possil Border kicked your assesmany times. Great memories. He wanted to discover how and why such places came into being and to see if remedies could be found. The estate was acquired in the 1870s by the Glasgow and South Western Railway Company and the mansion house was demolished. Many of the men worked at the shipyards or the preserves factory. Pagini similare. They were both always on a mission to land a. It brought tears to our eyes as they have destroyed a lot of the buildings that should have been refurbished. Finally, Darners last thoughts on a solution to Mooreparks spiralling problems were that it could be found in Community Planning. Following the five convictions, the man who led the investigation, detective superintendent Joe Jackson, received several letters from grateful Wine Alley residents. We love it here, but still go back to Scotland every other year. Govan railway station opened on 2 December 1868. They thanked him for the work they had done in cleaning up Wine Alley and bringing Burnsides two-year reign of terror to an end. The main point of the Presentation was that, in an area which had lost 80% of its population (between 1951 and 2001), the re-zoning of demolished housing areas for warehousing and offices meant that there was less chance of people coming back into the area to live, as houses were needed in these areas and not anonymous commercial barns and offices. [20], Traditionally viewed as a lower working-class area, Govan has typically supported the Labour Party, but the Scottish National Party (SNP) has also been strong there. 4 Markus, 1993, p. 161 It was only a community concerted campaign, (which included a long rent strike) waged by the various groups of residents, that the Glasgow District Council agreed to re-house all of the remaining tenants. I remember at one time there were thirteen of us staying in the house including the lassie across the street who came to stay for a night and more or less remained there for about five years. As for our childhood and growing up in Govan we would never change a thing, there was everything in Govan any child wanted and we never ever suffered from boredom after school, we were outside playing peever, rounders, climbing dykes, swimming at the pool and rolling our Easter eggs down the hill at Bellahouston Park. The lack of house building was not only an added threat to the existing shops and services but also to community life which was struggling just to survive because of the lack of houses. Zabudli ste daje na prstup k tu? For Margaret Gibson - I saw that you lived in Kintra Street until 1960 and wondered if you knew my grandmother Mary McGill/Johnston who lived at 110 Kintra Street in 1956. Community service. Very happy days. [6] Govan is believed to have then been part of a kingdom ruled from Dumbarton Rock, known as Alt Clut, the rock on the Clyde. [23], It was parodied by the BBC sitcom Rab C. Nesbitt. The huge shoe shop was, I think Bayne and Ducketts. or. My cousin Pat and I were just reminiscing about memories of the Steamie - which I think I was dragged along to, to help Mrs. Mary Devlin, in about 1965? No1seems2care. It was just before I packed in this job that I met Sean Damer when he came to our house to some of the family in 1974. Darner had two criticisms of the improvement programme. If you have a complaint about the editorial content which relates to People were in tears when that shop closed and I'm really delighted that I played a small walk-on part in a Govan institution! The layout suited their operations as there were only two ways in and out - making it easy to spot the police. I was born in Southern General 1971, lived in 1 Elder Street with my mum Ina Quinn and dad Peter Quinn, brothers and sister. Several hotel chains have moved in while both BBC Scotland and STV have their studio complexes there. Everyone used our street for roller skating, we called it thd smoothie! he had come to live in Wine Alley to see for himself why it seemed to be such a horrible place to outsiders. I remember my mum and dad and telling me how Govan was full of works, tenements, shops and pubs and how it was a vibrant place, this was very different from 1970s Govan that I grew up in, instead it was like a town after the blitz, I remember large areas of spare ground where the tenements and shops once stood, I remember playing in the old derelict tenements and works and in the rubble of demolished tenements, in the old tenements in Orkney Street we pretended to pour pints in the old Albert Bar. During the late 19th century, the population of Govan increased more than tenfold: from 9,000 in 1864 to 95,000 by 1907. Does anyone remember Cuthbertson's dairies milk depot Vicarfield street Govan. I was the smallest and skinniest one there, there were about 10 of us up on the dyke, they're all shouting at me, so I shouts I'm just gettting ready. Run by a tall slim guy whose son was a racing cyclist ? Servicii comunitare. I have been looking up my family history and her father Michael and all his brothers and sisters were born in Govan between 1884 and 1896. It was regarded at the time as perhaps the worst slum in Britain, and the people who lived there were treated like vermin by the authorities whom we treated likewise. Went to St. Gerards School from January 1959 to December 1962. 123m New Cafe India Govan . [3][4], A majority of the new residents were from the Gorbals, instead of the Govan area, which had pressing issues with overcrowding and poor quality tenements. Anyone remember the prego cafe and who ran it? For instance, leaky, crumbling roofs were never repaired during the improvements nor were rotten, draught-causing window frames replaced while the backcourt midden arrangements remained as inadequate as ever.